Hi can anyone tell where I can find lesson 6b on utube, Diolch
Iām sorry, what?
Lesson 6b is right here: https://www.saysomethingin.com/welsh/course1/lesson6
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Sorry @Wendyfisher I donāt recall Lesson 6b would ever be on YouTube ā¦ The link is that one which @wrenmoyer posted and itās here on SSiW. 
Happy 6b learning. Itās fun, believe me!
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howeverā¦ If youāre using the NEW layout, Lessons 6b AND lesson 6.2 both appear to be missing (unless they have all been merged together, which they donāt appear to be!).
Weāll have @aran add this to the fix-up list for when Ifan returns from his holiday.
Hi thanks for that. Iāve been following the course on utube and doing extremely well. I really get on well with hearing and seeing the words/sentences, then responding in Welsh without looking at the Welsh slide, then checking to see if I have it correct. I can then make up sentences in my āminds eyeā in Welsh . ( if you can understand what I mean . Iāve learnt the Welsh alphabet so I wonāt get confused with the English alphabet .
Iāve tried the new verbal only lessons on line but I feel totally blind because you canāt see the words to start with and its impossible to begin to get your tongue around a difficult sounding tongue twisting word that Iāve never seen and therefore canāt
Process this in my brain ( itās the way I learn, I guess and every person will say the word slightly differently) I will listen to more, and I will do as many lessons as I can find on utube,but I think I have hit a full stop. Iām feeling rather disappointed about this as I thought I had found the perfect course for me, verbal only doesnāt work for me, I need to see as well.
Is there anyone else like this or am I the only one?
Ah, good catch - weāll have to figure out a workaround for that - so Iām tagging @Kinetic for when he gets back 
Wendi - Iām afraid the lessons on YouTube were put up there by someone who didnāt bother to ask us for permission to use our material. Iāve asked the person concerned to get in touch so that we can see if there is a way for us to let those materials stay on YouTube.
A lot of our learners think this to begin with - but Iām guessing that you can have conversations in English without needing to write anything down? And thatās the stage youād like to reach with your Welsh? If so, youāll probably find that going through the initial pain of adapting to the different approach will help you reach conversational competence faster than relying on a more familiar approach
@Wendi ask @aran. I was probably the most stubborn person here on SSiW regarding this but Iām softening all the way through in my ādemandsā towards written thingys. Why not learn (if you really insist but I (now) actually wouldnāt) with going a bit around? Written guides which are provided for every course separately (well on Levels they arenāt complete yet) on this site if you click Learn button and choose Course you want to study, are the great way to learn a bit of writing too and see how words are written.
Iāve got this way around and Iām satisfied with that. SSi team has a good reason they donāt teach to write and I see that when I see a written text and want to read it. The way I say things reading the text is many times wrong or at least awkward way and thatās quite many times I donāt even know what Iām reading and donāt recognize words at all which I would recognize if Iād hear them sopken.
Writing is important but NOW at the time I went so much material through and no matter how I moan about many things Iām doing wrong I can freely say itās the thing you can learn for yourself with a little bit of effort as much as you need it at all.
So, try to be careful in listening instead of thinking even when you try to speak how one word is written because hearing (really hearing) things is important when talking/communicating with fluent Welsh/Cymraeg speakers āin the wildā not writing.
Well, I hope I made some sense here.
And thank you @aran, @Iestyn and all the SSi crew and fellow learners here on this forum who (unconsciously) finally convinced me and made me realize (really realize despite I knew this deep in my mind already) all these facts.
Diolch yn fawr iawn i bawb!
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Ahh, didnāt realise that these people werenāt your good selvesā¦BUT for me, the combination of both of you is perfect. Please keep it on line and do moreā¦Iām amazed how much Welsh has stuck to my brain. Iām not talking about writing, far from it! Or even learning loads of grammar. I learn by seeing pictures/patterns, and hearing what it is referring to ,always have done, any difficult tongue twisting words can be instantly worked on( I hope you understand what Iām saying) Eventually speech gets faster than the brain can produce the picture and and then you just talk hey presto youāre fluent ( Iāve started doing it already in small amounts. Itās brilliant). I have learnt more Welsh in a month than all my years of trying to learn French. You must keep to you rules tho ā¦ Say it before your speakers and donāt crib off raw material sheets. Pause button is great. Slow to think the Welsh at first but I get quicker.
Please do more this way, I canāt blindly look into space, need to look at a person talking and/ or short text and build up
Hereās hoping
I would actually like to build the lessons out in a visual format like this - with people saying the responses, so youāve got something to look at, but you still have to focus extremely closely on what youāre hearing, and you donāt have the risk (which is a very problematic risk for a lot of people) of being distracted by unfamiliar spelling/letter-sounds.
But Iām afraid thatās going to be a very expensive thing for us to get done, so itās not likely in the near future.
Weāll see what kind of response we get from my request for them to talk to usā¦ but I would strongly recommend that in the meantime, you set yourself the challenge of working through 5 audio-only sessions to see if they work for you - because Iām fairly sure that the success youāre experiencing so far comes from the way in which the sessions work, rather than the visual element - and that if you can manage to get used to not having the visual element, youāll discover that it works wonders for you
Thank you for your prompt replies. I will certainly be doing that, Iām not going to just give up . Iām going to take a class at our local adult learning centre in September too & have got S4s on the TV at the moment too listen to. I can see your point of view, but which ever way you do it you canāt control which rules a learner will obey, and you could be cutting out a big group of people who would otherwise want to learn & I canāt be pigeon holed into learning just one way, verbal only, it wonāt stick to my brain. We all learn differently and I donāt find visuals a distraction to listening. I can still use the verbal only lesson after I have done the lesson with the visual, makes sense in my brain. The combination of your good selves and the other people is brilliant
Thank you for your consideration and time and all your efforts on this programme
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No, we canāt, youāre absolutely right - but we do have a certain moral imperative to make sure that our learners know what we think will help them most. Youāre right that thereās a danger of losing people who donāt want to learn that way - but we need to balance that against the danger of offering āwhatever you wantā to every learner, and as a result NOT helping uncertain learners choose what we believe will help them most.
Iāve met a lot of people who believe that about themselves, but I havenāt actually met anyone whoās really tested it very carefully - Iād be very interested in hearing what experiences youāve had that have left you convinced about this
Itās never forbidden to work your way though besides āobeyingā SSi rules so if I didnāt feel like being cut out even if I one time at one point said I feel a bit excluded because of something (what I canāt even remember anymore) then nobody should.
I know now more then any time before that everything is in our heads and if we want to go with the flow weāll do that and still do the rest what works for us in adition. Many of learners here donāt stick with SSi only but do many other things to learn but the process still works for them so thereās no such thing as to be cut out if only you want to take it this way.
Cut out would be deaf people as this corse basis only on audio learning but as Iwork with them I know that they need way different aproach to lear language since they canāt even talk properly due to lack of audio abilities.
Or cut out would be us, who donāt see well (I count among them) if the course would be only visual basis but here would apay the same thing as mentioned above. ā¦
But I even did those āvisualā courses felt a bit excluded (as I donāt recognize pictures very well) but still caried on, however I didnāt continue any of them for other reasons and not that of being excluded or cut out and RATHER CAME HERE happy to be directed to this site by one felow learner ā¦
Pob lwc i ddysgu @Wendi.
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Just person type I think. And Iām 50, have been living in Wales for 10yrs and still surrounded by English speakers lol. Iām very arty/crafty/ knitting/crochet ( which I taught myself from the Internet), colours patterns that sort of thing. Listening is a great skill and I donāt think Iāve done so much as I have since starting Welsh. Iām very capable of learning, tho not always possible to succeed on your own. Iām sure with all the work that has been done so far on the programme that you are careful not to exclude types of learners if you can help it, as one type of learner is no more important than another. Of course you have to tell learners what you think is best. One method doesnāt always work for every one. Having said that tho what you are doing is very good, just not quite right for me, I thinkā¦but I will try and bash this square peg into a round hole and see what happensā¦
I always used to agree with this, but Iām less certain about it now. Of course, if someone dislikes something so much they donāt want to do it at all, then it obviously doesnāt work for them - but thatās not quite the same thing as ācouldnātā work for them.
If we want to become conversational speakers of a language, we all have to go through the stage of understanding the spoken language - itās unavoidable. The question is, do you embed it into your learning from the very beginning, or do you wait until you think youāre ready to have conversations? In my experience, the whole process is much faster if you place heavy emphasis on listening from the very beginning - so if youāve got the determination to test yourself on this, I think youāll find some real value by the time you get through 5 or more audio-only lessons (and you may well surprise yourself about your ability, too!)
Hi Tatjana
I donāt feel cut out, Iām quite chilled. Of course you can do/go where ever is helpful to aid success. Always good if you find the tailor ready made course.
However if my opinion has helped with any future ideas, then Iām glad.
Hi Aran
Will try the lessons as suggested for a while and seeā¦
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Iāll really look forward to hearing how it goes for you
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Iām all curious too. No, Iām eager to hear from you how it goes.
Well, I actually didnāt mean that you feel cut out, Iāve jsut replied to your mention of groups of learners possibly being cut out with only audio aproach and thatās basically it. I just always tend to write a bit more then is possibly neccessary. 
A habit I just canāt get rid off.
Oh, let me comfort you ā¦ Iām 48 and Iām living in PURE NON WELSH/ENGLISH environment with no learners around being the only person in my country who learns Cymraeg at all (which I believe is not only my situation on here) but one day I will probably manage to pull out the best from what Iām learning, who knows. In my early stages of learning I actually said at one point that this doesnāt work for me butā¦ gee ā¦ how I was wrong.
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No worries. Iām going to try it out. Will get back to you in a whileā¦
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Thatās a rather interesting point. Usually when we talk in this forum about people being (or believing themselves to be) visual learners, we think about them seeing the text of words, first by reading and then in their mindās eye.
However, Wendi has reminded me of the other aspect of āvisual learningā (or visual hearing) which is the semi-lip-reading that we probably all do to some extent in person to person conversations, and some of us find we have to do to an increasing extent as anno domini (or rock concerts or disease, and probably a number of other factors) takes its toll on our hearing capability over the years.
Sometimes we are just not able to get sufficient information from the aural input to work out how a particular word should be formed, and a visual clue would sometimes help. No, I donāt mean text, but a moving picture of a native/experienced speaker forming the words would help.
I doubt if it would ever be practicable for whole lessons, still less whole course, to be presented like this, but maybe there could be some short video available for words with pronunciations that learners typically find difficult (or hard to distinguish, like the confusion people often have beetween Welsh āddā and English āvā sound).
Iād suggest the video would concentrate just on the mouth area so there is just enough visual information presented with minimal distraction.
It would not be a panacea, but it might help some people.
Itās been on my to-do list for a while
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