I have just started challenge 22 and I feel as though i have completely lost the plot. There are things cropping up that I don’t remember hearing before ie nagw (as in my mother told me that your mum doesn’t like football). Also dwy ddim?
Are these sneaky little inserts or have I indeed hit my marathon learning welsh wall?
The sentences will sometimes sneak in extra words you haven’t heard before.
I didn’t want to “ping” overnight
I just thought it might be encouraging to let you know what I learnt with SSiW.
Dw i Ddim was in challenge 5 and 21, but easy to miss.
Fair point regarding Nagw or perhaps nagyw: I think it was thrown in to get us used to it. So, one of the meanings of “na” is “that” before a negative phrase, so sort of that…not. (it comes in agin in level 2 so don’t worry about learning it yet).
If there is a vowel after na (welsh vowels y or w in this case), na usually changed to nag, nac or nad depending on local dialect. So, nag(y)w in this case.
On the big plus side - I found it worth understanding as my Welsh speaking friend in work (Swansea area) uses this nag construction as his natural choice. He told me that it’s slightly dialecty: he uses it at home and when he was a child, his school said it was ok to use it in school, but he had to learn the more formal forms for his exams.
As with English, there are a number of ways of saying the same thing
Also , as extra back ground (ignore this for now if you want) , my friend uses na in nagwi, nagwe etc for dw i ddim, Dyw e ddim (I don’t, he doesn’t etc). Just to say how it has helped me to understand him.
So I hope that this has helped and not sown confusion. As I said plenty of time to learn it. I completely missed it myself, and my friend explained it to me after I had finished the three levels of challenges
Onwards and upwards.
Thank you for the reply. It has made it clearer thank you. I thought I had missed the na. I didn’t realise that na rather than bod is used in the negative.
Yes onwards and upwards.
Thanks Alan…I think Aran and crew are trying to drive us all mad
Echoing DianeO on level 1-22. (Disclaimer: I’m a 68 yr old American with no exposure to Welsh before this course). I felt like my reasonable climb turned into a vertical on 22. I’ve gone back at half speed on several “stoppers” and think I’ve gotten a clue with the help of google translate to verify it might be something like what i think I’m hearing. Many thanks for the clarifications here about use of “na”. Pressing on…
I’m on Level One, Challenge 22! I never thought I’d reach this challenge as I’m easily discouraged. It’s beginning to stick, though. I do not have a set time each day. I practise when the mood takes me. I understand that, at 69, I’m not going to complete one challenge every week. I’m learning to be kind to myself and give myself a rest. I also use the pause button whenever I need to.
At last, I’m enjoying the learning. The greatest pleasure is finding words from my childhood cropping up and I can shout…. “Wow, I remember that.”
This isn’t a race. My aim was to complete Level One by Christmas 2021! I’m on schedule. Sound Cloud and other things are still a mystery to me but I’m thrilled with how much progress I’ve made. Don’t give up. Believe me when I say this. If I can do it, then ANYONE can. Nos da, Pawb! X John Huw Roberts.