What language would you like next? [formerly: A release! (Some fun things bubbling under)]

Oh, amazing!! Diolch o galon i ti :slight_smile:

I’ll tell my colleague (and it might be next on my list once I’ve cracked the Irish - but I’m also leaning towards Japanese, so…)

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@Li22ie Polish is already up there - saysomethingin.app for the new trial web-app :slight_smile:

@daiwilliams yup, as Steak said, it’s a current work in progress :slight_smile:

@RichardBuck ooh, cyffrous, sounds as though Drive mode may be the way forward!

@michael-murray (and @RichardBuck) - ahhh, this sounds as though it might be our new approach to listening starting to kick in - we probably want to flag it up as listening exercises - but it means we can decay much more aggressively on older material, because the accelerated listening (although it’s only meant to accelerate slowly over time) is enough of a refresher, and that means we can keep more new content coming in :slight_smile:

@sara-peacock-1 croeso calon! Hopefully it won’t be too long before we have Basque through the medium of English as well :slight_smile:

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@verity-davey are you looking to learn Hindi yourself? If so, happy to fire it up - if not, we will get to it, but in this thread my main aim is (finally) to give SSiers the chance to say ā€˜I’ve always wanted xyz’ :slight_smile:

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Not immediately, but someday.
The trouble is, there are more ā€œI’d like to learn that somedayā€ languages than there is time to learn them. Which is probably why I’m scrolling this forum talking about them instead of getting on and learning one. Lol

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Oh yeah, I hear you :joy:

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Btw, when did Korean sneak onto the app, and how did I miss it until now? Yay! Time to get increasingly annoyed at non-literal subtitles on my Kdrama DVDs…

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I hate to ask a stupid question. (No, really! I like to ask insightful, thought-provoking questions. Bit this ain’t one of those…)

Where can I find the Catalan? It’s not on my app, but is it somewhere else, or is it in the pipeline and to appear in due course?

Also don’t want to appear in the least bit ungrateful - this list of languages is wonderful and astonishing.

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Have you been here (https://saysomethingin.app/) or are you looking in the same app as the Irish? The new languages are all in beta in the former, not the latter - but if you’re trying there and not seeing it :man_shrugging:

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I hadn’t been there, and that clarifies everything :slight_smile: Many thanks to you.

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Why is there Irish in this new app when it’s in the original? What’s the difference?

It takes us a long time to update courses in the current production app - that’s part of the reason we’re moving to the new app - the new app will always have the latest version, and as far as Irish goes that means some significant changes in content :slight_smile:

We’ll be providing all our courses in the new app over time - in fact, that process should be complete by the end of this year, and then we’ll be keen to encourage as many people as possible to move over to the new app.

How does one install the app of the new app, as opposed to opening it in the browser?

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I didn’t answer this at the time, bc I thought someone with more actual knowledge might step in, but… It’s now one of those terribly modern things that may or may not be known as a ā€˜progressive web app’, which means that instead of developers having to write their own separate Android and iOS apps it runs in its own individual browser which it uses to do much of the messy interface with the actual operating system instead.

In other words, to get it as an app you first need to open the Web address in a browser. How you then make it more like an app will depend a bit on which browser you used, but for me in Chrome on Android I can tap on the ellipsis/hamburger menu (three dots, top right) and scroll down the list of options to find ā€œAdd to home screenā€, and it will appear on my list of apps as a new app. When I open it, it will open as the only tab in a new instance of Chrome, taking up the whole screen, and looking for all the world like a separate app that isn’t really running in a browser.

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Can report, have driven to Manchester and back today, and Drive mode worked perfectly for about 1hr45 each way (at which point it needed to be restarted with another download of data).
On a personal note, I am also pleased to report that, since Greek, like Welsh, has two different words for English ā€˜when’ (Ļ€ĻŒĻ„Īµ = pryd, ĻŒĻ„Ī±Ī½ = pan), the phonology of both of which could more or less be Welsh, I inevitably started saying things like Γιατί Γεν ĻƒĪ¹Ļ‰Ļ€Ī¬ pan είναι ĪµĪ“ĻŽ άλλοι άνθρωποι; on my way home tonight… (ā€œWhy isn’t he quiet pan there are other people here?ā€)
I did also spot a few more errors similar to those previously mentioned, where the person of the last verb in a sequence fails to match up, due to the 1st sg getting chunked - I think someone needs to cast an eye over those affected seeds, but it would mean adding entries for, e.g. ā€˜you say’ and ā€˜he speaks’, so it’s not a wholly trivial fix.

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I’m particularly delighted to hear of Welsh surfacing in the middle of Greek sentences. This is the path to global domination, I think. :slight_smile:

We’re also working on some new things for error reporting - I think it’ll be a while before we’re really robust on them, but it’s good to have line of sight - in due course, you’ll be able to volunteer as a bug catcher, and then just zap them, and that will immediately form a ā€˜to do’ list inside the Popty, some of which will be fixable automatically and some of which will require human intervention.

But the next main piece of work for us is non-LLM building tools - we should have a concept in place by the end of the month, and then I think it gets really exciting.

And thanks for explaining the PWA! Yes, we’re holding off from going straight to native apps at the moment - they create a huge amount of extra headaches for us which we’re not really big enough to deal with easily. I’m not feeling particularly keen at the moment to recreate the new stuff in native apps at all - but time may nudge us into a different mindset, you never know.

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Has anyone noticed Hindi and Swahili? :slight_smile:

Any other requests? Otherwise, I’m just trotting along through the available options at the moment and picking more or less at random. :slight_smile:

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Bit of feedback on the Norwegian course: it’s really, really addictive (which is good). I’d say you’ve got the difficulty level just right with this one.

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That’s very exciting, diolch! Difficulty levels is a permanent challenge - we’re just about to go live with a ā€˜Turbo boost’ option in Tom’s PWA, which I’m hoping (along with moving easily between belts) might be the final piece of that particular jigsaw :crossed_fingers:

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Robots are only as good as their datasets, so better accuracy can be expected on languages more used, methinks. Also might be useful to look up popular destination countries for immigration and seeking refuge, those will be situations where people need to talk and do that fast. (Quite unexpectedly after 2022 Serbian and Georgian became very popular target languages from L1 Russian. Also Hebrew.)

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Sadly, the Norwegian course has become unusable around orange belt. I will post a video below showing what happens. There is also a minor problem, but I’ll post that in the ā€˜Other Languages’ section.