Manchester September 2018 Meet Up

The next Manchester Meet Up is this Saturday 21st July 2018 at the Siop Shop cafe, Tib Street, Manchester at 10.30am :slight_smile:

All welcome whatever your level of Welsh.

See link for details about Siop Shop

Look forward to seeing you there! :slight_smile:

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Hello Jean,

I’m afraid I’m going to cry off today’s meeting. However, please don’t think I’ve decided not to learn Welsh. I was really looking forward to it. Unfortunately, I have OK days and days when I feel low and today is one of the latter.

Nevertheless, I might still have felt up to it except that I’m - panicking is too strong a word - worried about how little I know. I’m an usher in a magistrates’ court and I’ve shown off to my close colleagues and what little I know sounds like a lot to them. So I’ve been quite pleased with myself. But there’s a Welsh defence solicitor - who is fluent -who sometimes comes in and I just clammed up when I saw him this week.

I’m still on lesson 4 of Say Something because by the time I’ve got home from work I often feel too tired to do much, so I do most of it at the weekend. And although I’ve got a dictionary and phrasebook, the beauty of the course is that I hear the pronunciation…but anything I use from the books I may mispronounce.

I’ve already decided to take the kids to Wales again next year and by that time I should be much better. But I won’t be able to do the language justice by August 13th and I’m concerned by that.

What do you think?

David

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There isn’t a pass/fail mark with the language - you’re ‘doing it justice’ (and more!) by making the effort to learn - and every single time you use it, you get slightly better (even if you can’t feel it) - so I’d recommend you stop measuring yourself on how well you speak (you’ll always be too harsh, everyone is) - and start measuring yourself on how often you speak - with bonus marks and little personal rewards every time you’re brave enough to use your Welsh… :slight_smile:

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Hi David

I second what Aran said David! :slight_smile: It’s excellent that you’ve decided to learn and you will do it in your own time when you feel in the right frame of mind. We look forward to meeting you whenever you feel up to it . We’re a very mixed group with people at different levels - some almost fluent, some with only a few words of Welsh and some in between. One new member came today and has only just started on SSIW lessons and is very much a beginner. We’re a friendly bunch and try and make sure everyone feels included at all times . We often also have conversations in English about speaking Welsh if the group is made up mostly of beginners.
Enjoy your holiday in August David and even if you just say “helo” and “diolch” in the cafes and shops it’s a great start. Your children may enjoy joining in with this too.
Hope to see you in Manchester soon. :slight_smile:

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Hello Aran and Jean,

Thank you for your kind words of support. I really do appreciate them. After reading Sion Jobbins’ The Phenomenon of Welshness, I decided that the next time I went to Wales I’d try to speak some Welsh. We English have a deservedly poor reputation for learning other languages, and our attitude towards our Celtic neighbours’ languages had been particularly poor. Corporal punishment for speaking Welsh in school, for example, is appalling. Moreover, whenever I’ve been to the Continent I’ve always tried to speak the language and have found that rather enjoyable.

As an usher, I deal with defendants from the Continent and further afield, and, whilst some of them need interpreters, the majority speak good English to communicate. If only we English tried as much.

Because of your replies, I’ll feel more confident attending future meetings. Thank you for your consideration and kindness.

David

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Jean - and everyone else at the Manchester meet up today - Thank you very much indeed for being such a friendly, encouraging lot. I was terrified of meeting you all (even with my advanced son-in-law to protect me!) I only spoke about five words of Welsh - but they were five words to real live people, which was a very important step for me. You’ve given me new resolve and excitement about learning Cymraeg. Thank you. I’ll certainly be back. Garth

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It was lovely to meet you and Antonio today Garth. Look forward to seeing you both again at future meet ups. I’m sure you’ll do well with the lessons.
:blush:

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Hello Jean,

When is the August meeting? We’re going on Monday 13th, but we’re only staying until Friday 17th. So I’ll be free all of the Saturdays in August. I’ll be sble to tell you how it went if it’s after the holiday!

David

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It’s always the 3rd Saturday of the month David, so that will be the 18th August. Look forward to meeting you and have a great holiday. :grin:

Hi again. Just the usual monthly reminder about our next meet up in Manchester. Details at the beginning of this thread. All welcome as always. Hope to see you there this next Saturday 18th August 2018 :slight_smile:

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Jean - Mae’n ddrwg geni ond fedra ddim mynd siop Dydd Sadwrn bore… ( I have to to take my wife and daughter to Todmorden station. September next! Garth

No problem Garth. Hope to see you soon. I can see your Welsh is coming on very well!! Llongyfarchiadau!
Hwyl am y tro

Hello Jean, I’d like to apologise for not being at the meet up today. That’s twice in a row that I’ve bailed out, and it might seem as if I’m not interested in coming down.

It’s not that, believe me. I loved being in Wales this week with my niece and eldest two nephews - and speaking a bit of Welsh!! - but looking after the three of them was tiring, especially as I had to make sure that they didn’t cause any damage to the holiday apartment. So last night was the first night that I’d had a full night’s sleep, and I overslept. Plus, I spent a ton of money on them - more than I had anticipated - so in the next couple of weeks I need to be frugal.

I was looking forward to ordering a white coffee, as I’m rather pleased with myself for being able to pronounce milk. Plus, I was hoping to write down phonetically some key phrases. I’ve got them in my Welsh phrasebook and dictionary, but the things I can pronounce the best have come from the course.

So apologies for letting you down again.

Kind regards,

David

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You certainly didn’t let anyone down David. Some people attend the group regularly, others drop in when they can make it, sometimes months between each visit. There are no rules or expectations apart from having fun and trying out your Welsh if you want to. Sounds like you had an eventful holiday and congratulations on using some of the Welsh you’ve learnt!! You’ve got over the first hurdle!
Look forward to meeting you soon
Hwyl am y tro :blush:

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It’s that time again! Next Manchester Meet up is this Saturday 15th September 2018 - same time, same place - see beginning of thread for details.
I’m not sure if I can make this one but hope it goes well and all welcome as always :slight_smile: