Irish (grammar commentary, test-drive)

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Redundant

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This is a very detailed and kind post, Liza, go raibh maith agat - Iā€™m sure there are lots of people who will find this hugely helpful :folded_hands: :slight_smile:

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Going to disagree with you here. Introducing an item after you have been using it as part of a meaningful chunk is good teaching IMHO.

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Could be, I havenā€™t done the course. All I can say is that I enjoyed this kind of thing in the Manx course. For about 20 lessons, I thought the conjugated prepositions were verb endings until my mind finally figured it out. I love those, ā€œOh, so thatā€™s what Iā€™ve been saying!ā€ moments.

Also, I donā€™t always find that what makes sense to me as a teacher who finds grammar interesting is the best order to introduce things to my students.
In this case, I can think of several reasons why the order in the course might be easier for students to learn than the more logical order.

Youā€™re clearly a very smart person (like seriously, you are very impressive) and I share your interest in grammar (why else would I be reading your thread ha ha?) and I do take your point that it might be the application of a template; but honestly, Iā€™m not convinced that the order on the course is a bad thing for the reasons I gave above.

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Fair enough.

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We generally intend not to use items until theyā€™ve been introduced, but we also do feel that surprise theory suggests that itā€™s not the end of the world when we hiccup (and may have some benefits!). :slight_smile:

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Funnily enough, Iā€™ve just been reading Andy Clarkā€™s popular book on predictive processing and this whole area is fascinating. The applications to teaching are huge.

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I wasnā€™t, but Iā€™ll certainly check him out, thanks.

What hint? I can promise you that I wasnā€™t hinting at anything. It was a good-faith answer to your question. What hint did you think I was making?

Edit: Iā€™ve been trying to think what you might have meant by ā€œhintā€ and the only thing I can think of is that you think it was a (rather rude) hint that you should buy the book. I can assure you that that wasnā€™t my intention. It was just an easy way to show you what book I was talking about with all the information (ISBN, synopsis, reviews) you might need to take it further.

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Thatā€™s hysterical @elizaveta! Interesting that they donā€™t translate PĆ³g mo thĆ³in - probably better not to ask! :joy:

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I love that idea of greying out letters, could be super useful.

Thanks for all your work in here, Liza - this is becoming an extraordinary resource for people interested in grammar :folded_hands: :star2:

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That makes a lot of sense, particularly for the ā€˜reading firstā€™ cognitive profile.

If we manage to reach more learners with Irish, weā€™ll hope to increase the amount of focus on Irish we can sustain as a community as well :slight_smile:

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Thanks for your input and your time, Liza, and best wishes for the future :slight_smile:

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I canā€™t connect this to anything Iā€™m aware of. We are always very grateful for input on any of our courses, and weā€™ve already had a lot of encouraging and supportive input from people in Ireland. If anyone has any practical improvements to suggest, weā€™ll always listen to them gladly.

I donā€™t think thereā€™s any question of our course becoming a Welsh Gaelic. I think itā€™s much more likely that over time weā€™ll actually receive constructive input from dialectic specialists in Ireland and end up with separate courses for 4 separate dialects, in a similar (but more detailed) way to how weā€™ve divided into northern and southern Welsh.

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