I'm unsure about using eisiau when I want to say that I need something, rather than need to do

I’m trying to summarise my learning so far, and writing down various verbs etc…
Sa i’n
so ti’n
so fe’n
so hi’n

but I got stuck when doing Need To and Need Something
Mae eisau i fi fynd
mae eisiau i ti fynd etc,

but what is the pattern for “I need a cup of tea” ?

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If you want to use the same pattern, it’s
Mae eisiau dishgled o de arna i
You could also use the slightly more northen Dw i angen dishgled o de, and you’ll also be understood anywhere.
There usually is more than one way to express something, you could also make Mae eisiau i fi … work by adding a verb: I need to get a cup of tea – Mae eisiau i fi gael ddishgled o de. :slight_smile:


Yes, as @Hendrik as explained, the pattern varies according to whether you need to do an action, or you need a thing:

Mae eisiau ‘thing’ arna i

Mae eisiau i fi ‘do something’


I hadn’t noticed the arna i version for things. :astonished:
But it’s going to be easy to remember :grin:

p.s. even though not so appropriate since I don’t think anyone ever needed such an ugly car :laughing:


That’s great, just what I needed…thanks for your help!

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It was pretty in its day.


But @gisella-albertini we had the Austin Allegro…and the Morris, er, Ital :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

Uhm…in Italy it has always been named about one of the most embarrassing talian cars ever!
While I had to Google the Ital @rich and I find it kinda nice in its own way!

P.s. sorry janhoward for the off topic!


…but Italy has produced some of the most beautiful cars ever…

image File:Morrisital.jpg - Wikipedia

Yeah, I had to Google it so I also found that it was designed by Giugiaro (and being from Torino I know well who he is).
But although obviously…uh well… not one of his best creations, I do find it kinda nice, like a funny looking animal! :grin:


It’s definitely quirky. I love old cars - and have had a few - and it has a place in my heart … :slight_smile:

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Yeah, this should help us remember- ARNA was an acronym for Alfa Romeo Nissan Autoveicoli. Apparently it was basically a Nissan Cherry with Alfa mechanical parts. What could possibly go wrong? :smile:


My BT van back in the day was a Morris Ital. They said Pininfarina designed it. I can see the likeness to a Ferrari.

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Giugiaro Italdesign, not Pininfarina. I’m in their hometown, so nobody can mess up with that here, but maybe in the UK and before the internet, car sellers used it strategically! :smiley:
Edit: Although in the Italian wiki page, they say they’re both false, by the way! :rofl:

In any case, @rich @JohnYoung I find any old car more interesting-looking that new ones that all look the same to me and even the smaller ones are unnecessarily big! :neutral_face:

But let’s use this to go back on trackand have some fun practicing Welsh:

Mae eisiau Arna arna ti
Sa i angen Arna, mae eisiau i fi fynd gyda fy Allegro i! :smiley:

p.s. since it’s an Italian word, just wondering, do you pronounce Allegro with an e like in best (like us) or like in the verb to be (like everybody there seem to pronounce the linguine pasta as well!)


Short e in Allegro for me. :slightly_smiling_face:
BTW - I think Paninfarina was the dedigner of the older type Italian looking British cars.

Also I found the Moniars and Elin Flur so helpful with their song Paid a cau y drws (arna hi). Admittedly for a slightly different construction.

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In fact Wikipedia says that they were only providing manufacturing advice for the new car at the time and had no design input! :open_mouth: It does seem amazing that they would be allowed to call it the Ital, if so…

…hard to know what to believe but Wikipedia is usually pretty good. :roll_eyes:

Yes I agree, modern cars seem to have lost the styling plot - they are so big and not stylish at all that they feel the need to put even more scoops and bulges in them…some of them look like there has been a horrible mix up in the factory and they have used parts from different cars :smile:

I must be getting old :roll_eyes:

Oh for some of the natural style of the cars on the list that Ital did design.

Rich :slight_smile:


You can also say… dwi am paned (I want a cuppa (north walian)…it literally says I am for a cuppa…dwi am fynd allan…I want to go out(I am for going out) But…I am about to go out(dwi ar fynd allan) …I must go out…rhaid i mi fynd allan or rhaid fynd allan… dwi angen mynd allan (I need to go out)

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Another need word I have just come across, well, two joined together actually -
(H)angenrhaid. Although not part of the SSiW main course, Is this used in common speech?
It seemed to mean: to be compelled or called to do something. So perhaps another step along the “scale of need”. Any thoughts, please?

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Yes…angenrheidiol - necessary seems to crop up quite regularly on the news, as a word of choice in this sort of area…

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