I used to know an “ap Simon” at work. I had no idea about Welsh names in those days, and don’t know if he was a Welsh speaker, or came from a Welsh speaking home. I wonder if he carried on the tradition.
Have you noticed that @iestyn is Iestyn Ap Dafydd while Cat is Cat Dafydd?
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what about ap store
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When I was at work, I soon found there was a problem with the wording of forms. Back when, they asked for “Christian Name” and “Surname”. I am not sure of the derivation of the latter.
Now, we had people working with us who were Jewish, Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.. Putting “First Name” wouldn’t do, as the folk from the Peoples Republic of China on sabatical put their family name first! So I used “Given Name(s)” and “Family Name” on forms and nobody ever had a problem deciding what to put!
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I think “surname” means above/additional to the name. Supranomen or something. My surname is Hungarian and Hungarians put the family name first too.
Hungarian seems to be related to Finnish and Estonian, but nobody can work out how.
I’ve read that too. I suppose people moved or a large territory got broken up by conquest. Something to do with the Romans? Or further back? Or later??? 