I’ve got to say that I’m really enjoying a 2nd look at the short forms.
Is it natural to use the short form future for irregular verbs. Some people say they don’t get used, but things like tala’i (I’ll pay) sound OK to me esp in the south. Any thoughts?
Also, are the short form future words exactly the same as the imperative (command) or is there a different spelling? Or do you just stick “di” or “chi” after them to show that they aren’t the command?
Yes, the short form irregulars get used, especially (unsurprisingly) the most common ones. Just think of Ga(f) i? / Awn ni / Daw e/o / (w)nei di? / Gwn i …
The imperatives usually have either an ‘a’ ending (informal/singular) or an ‘wch’ ending (formal/plural), so in the case of edrych:
Edrycha! (Look! - imperative informal/singular)
Edrychwch! (Look! - imperative formal/plural)
… and in the case of Edrychwch (You will look - non imperative formal/plural), it will be the tone of voice and context that tells you it’s not the imperative, whether the chi follows or not.
Arrrrgh! sorry; I meant regular, as you half worked out already, looking at your answer (as helpful as always). That’s great thanks. So, just trying to get a feel for how natural the short form future is - or is it only for a few selected verbs like joi(o) stopi(o), tali, etc
I think how natural (i.e. everyday speech use) it is depends to a certain extent on where you are - some areas seem to use short forms more than others. Remember, you can also use gwneud as an auxiliary - just as you can use nes i for the past, you can use na i for the future - so this is in the same ‘tense’ (preterite) as the short form, and some people/areas prefer to use this construction instead.
And of course some verbs get used more frequently than others so we get used to hearing their short forms and this might make them appear to be a ‘selected few’ when it would be, for example, just as natural to use a short form in a verb like to anneal (tymheru/caledu/anelio) - but that’s not a verb that crops up everyday unless you work with metal! (or watch lots of TV where people work with metal )
Great thanks, both. I’ll listen out and trick my local friends to say something and see what they come out with. I recall one friend saying nai edrych at hi, I’ll look at it, but she’s an escapee from the North . @beca-brown 's friend in Brynaman (I think also fro the Gogs) seems to be into anealing so, a brilliant excuse for me to visit her workshop. Where is it exactly, anyone?
I often pop into Brynaman for a bit of Welshness