Use of 'y' between words

[iforwynnjenkins]

I get used to sentneces where two verbs are used sequentially eg On i’n trio dweud -----

But Bo fi angen y Cyfle I siarad ----

Hopefull these are good examples as I would like to know if there are rules regarding this link of ‘y’.

thanks Ifor

[Hendrik]

@iforwynnjenkins

But Bo fi angen y Cyfle I siarad ----

Hopefull these are good examples as I would like to know if there are rules regarding this link of ‘y’.

The problem with y is that it fulfills more than one function. In the partial sentence you posted, it functions as the definite article for the following noun (y cyfle - the chance)

I suspect that you are thinking of sentences like
Dw i’n meddwl y dylwn ni fynd. – I think that we should go.
In this example, the y links the two clauses, so in this case it translates as that (and it’s used if the second clause starts with a verb that isn’t a form of bod).
But in spoken Welsh this linking y is often dropped.

[iforwynnjenkins]

Hopefully a better example :
the first clause ’ dw i’n trio siarad Cymraeg’ - I am tryng TO soeak Welsh
Then I heard ‘Mae gyda fi rhywbeth y dweud’ - I have got something TO say.
‘TO’ is used in both but ‘y’ only in the latter.

[Hendrik]

@iforwynnjenkins

Then I heard ‘Mae gyda fi rhywbeth y dweud’ - I have got something TO say.
‘TO’ is used in both but ‘y’ only in the latter.

In these instances it should be an i, not y:
Mae gyda fi rhywbeth i ddweud.

This usage of prepositions is a point of confusion that pops up from time to time, so instead of trying to reinvent the wheel, I’m linking to an older thread containg excellent explanations:

When to use and when not to use 'i ' as a preposition before a verbnoun

In the sentence "Would you be willing to bring something to drink with you?’ (ch. 10 level 2 N) ‘i’ is used before ‘yfed’. In the sentence “Would you be willing to wait for him?” the ‘i’ doesn’t appear before the verbnoun ‘aros’. I’m puzzled why it is used before one verbnoun and not the other. Is it just an optional thing?

[victoredwards]

I’m enjoying going back to basics with AutoMagic but it seems like S. Welsh eg moyn instead of isio and nawr instead of rhwan. Is there a North version?[quote=“Hendrik, post:4, topic:39456, full:true”]

@iforwynnjenkins

Then I heard ‘Mae gyda fi rhywbeth y dweud’ - I have got something TO say.
‘TO’ is used in both but ‘y’ only in the latter.

In these instances it should be an i, not y:
Mae gyda fi rhywbeth i ddweud.

This usage of prepositions is a point of confusion that pops up from time to time, so instead of trying to reinvent the wheel, I’m linking to an older thread containg excellent explanations:

When to use and when not to use 'i ' as a preposition before a verbnoun

In the sentence "Would you be willing to bring something to drink with you?’ (ch. 10 level 2 N) ‘i’ is used before ‘yfed’. In the sentence “Would you be willing to wait for him?” the ‘i’ doesn’t appear before the verbnoun ‘aros’. I’m puzzled why it is used before one verbnoun and not the other. Is it just an optional thing?

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[Hendrik]

@victoredwards

I’m enjoying going back to basics with AutoMagic but it seems like S. Welsh eg moyn instead of isio and nawr instead of rhwan. Is there a North version?

Yes, there is. I can’t tell you exactly where this would be on your screen, as I think the layout depends on what kind of device you use, but there should be a settings button on the AutoMagic screen, and on there you can switch between South and North versions.

[JohnYoung]

I dont know if this helps -
My phone uses Android (non i-phone).
The settings button is at the bottom of the screen. Then you click on N Welsh for English, or similar wording on the drop down choice.