Did you get a speaking date? If not, I can do either of those times this evening.
I spoke with @brigitte yesterday a bit but if you have the time, itās no problem for me to go for one more chat. Just say which time suits you more that from 7 to 8 pm my time (6 to 7 pm your time) or from 9 pm (8 pm your time)
6pm my time.
Iawn!
Well, I donāt have set conversation practice for this week yet (apart from Brigitte) do ā¦ whoād be up to it this week?
Times as usual 7-8 pm and 9-10 pm my time.
Here we go. Monday has come and usually we start the week with Monday donāt we so Iāve begun my 2 weeks journey. Iāll put her pure stats with no comments at all just to show Iām really doing things every day. As youāll see by results thereās a waste of energy to comment on this poor statistic anyway. Letās begin then:
Day 1
Course 1 Lesson 25 = 47 % (when I did first ever measuring of it, it was 64 %)
Course 2 Lesson 25 = 8 % (when I did first ever measuring of it, it was 12 %)
Well, hereās my whole progress through those 14 days. Well at least I hope itāll be a progress although for Lesson 25 of Course 2 I for most of the thngs I donāt have the clue what Iām doing. Sorry, but I just canāt understand those things presented in Course 2 ā¦
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DoVREJdIZU0UMF1Z6HGJ-xOIWn2LtlXEbY2OpT1IDUE/pub
Whatās the latest on this?
Nothing yet today. I intend to do it right now after I finish eating my apple.
The table is updated when I write new result in so youād have to return to post 427 every day. if youād want to see the result.
Beginning of moaning!
I have just to say that the results would be much better if Iād understand all those possesives comming in Course 2. Iām getting nuts out of them! āmy childā " his wife" " loving her"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I just canāt stand this anymore! What in the name of God should I do to finally understand that (annoying) bit? Sorry, but itās 100 times more complicated then in English or in Slovene for example. Iām really giving up hope on this bit. I feel like Course 1 is all I really learnt and nothing else and this will probably be the whole level of my conversation even in a wild (if ever comes to that at all).
Any advise on how should I learn those possesives and reflexives? Or better how to memorize them. Repeating material obviously is not enough.
End of moaning!
Tatjana fachā¦
I think you may have hit the stage where you just need to see them in writing to get your head round them.
There are three different kinds of āsofteningsā that crop up with posessive pronouns.
Cath = cat
Fy nghath i = my cat (ānasal mutationā)
Dy gath di = your cat (āsoft mutationā)
Ei gath e = his cat ("soft mutation ")
Ei chath hi = her cat (āaspirate mutationā)
Ein cath ni = our cat
Eich cath chi = your cat
Eu cath nhw = their cat (Phew to those!)
Take a look at http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/learnwelsh/pdf/welshgrammar_f_pronoun.pdf, in the same way that youāve successfully learnt other languages. Then have another shot at the practices.
I think there is a series of lessons in course 2 that practises these fairly systematically - it may be worth seeking those out again. (And at the risk of being figuratively shot, I might suggest targeted use of the pause button until you feel comfortableā¦ Scuttles off into the shadows!)
This is an area where i am far from confident , i will try to make a list tonight and post for reference (i need it).
Dw iān drio cofio amdana gorffenol pan on iān meddwl fel fydda i ddim yn dysgu gwrs 6.1 - 6.2, rwan dim broblem, felly dw iān meddwl yn y difodol, bydd 'na rywbeth sydd yn anodd i fi bob blyddyn.
If you can make sense of what i have written (which i think you will), then you have come a long way in a short time. YES it really is frustrating and i would not be surprised to know there are a lot of people feeling the same (just not voicing their frustration).
Cheers J.P.
Yah, Iām āvoicingā them too much shouting out of frustration as Iāve gone through those things so many times. Thank you @ramblingjohn.
@netmouse, youāre actually right. I have to see them written down. I know the mutations when it comes to other things, but to possessives and reflexives Iām liek frozen. Ant thereās so much of it I feel like I donāt go anywhere with the whole learning because of that. Iām slowly climbing up the Lesson 25/2 but this is because of other things not possessives and, yes, I know, Course 2 is full of those things all the way though. Itās just that I just all of a sudden didnāt understand what comes where at all.
Letās compare (just for fan of it) that Cath thingy to the Slovene one ā¦ [size=9]Yes I really want to do this for a long time already![/size]
maÄka = cat (it can also be āmucaā if itās little one or too cute to call it āmaÄkaā)
moja maÄka = my cat
tvoja maÄka = your cat
njegova maÄka = his cat
njena maÄka = her cat
naÅ”a maÄka = our cat
vaÅ”a maÄka = your cat (plural)
njihova maÄka = their cat.
BUT!!! We have duality too Gormod o problemiau hefyd.
najina maÄka = our cat (those of two of us)
vajina maÄka = your cat (no matter of the gender)
njuna maÄka = their cat (no matter of the gender)
Now you know to who cat belongs to in Slovene. - hehe
All in all - thank you both of you. This will come handy in deed. Will try to investigate the thingys with plentyn, gwraig, dad and whatās more to it. Sometimes I mutate right but forget to put ādyā and ādiā (for example) where they have to be put. ā¦
Tatjana fach, Iāve got two really good grammar books with rules and exercises, I can send you the scans of the relevant pages - maybe they will be useful. Iām also of the opinion that it might be helpful to see the possessives all in a table!
I wouldnāt argue if youād do that. To be honest I didnāt buy any grammar book yet. I have some grammar rules explained in āTeach Yourself Welshā but I think theyāre not noted as Iād want them to or I donāt look into it properly. I also have a dictionary where there are always some gramar rules explained but to my sadness itās so tiny print that my eyes are probably implemented inthere so it might be ātatjanaās eyesā is the new structure/word written inthere or youād at least find a pice of my glasses inthere ā¦
I donāt moan many times because of my sight but at such things Iām irritated with it.
So, thank you in advance.
If you have Google Drive or Dropbox you can also put scans there and share link with me. Knight Ghost is my Google name. Or Iāll simply come to Skype for some file sharing.
Just PM me your e-mail, I think itāll be convenient for us both?
I have Heini Gruffudd āWelsh rulesā (thanks to my cariad who kindly brought it from the UK) and some other books as well, which I hope will be useful)
Iāve lost the challenge. I didnāt do any lesson today. So, I donāt deserve the ārewardā. I wonāt promise Iād do them twice tomorrow (today) because I know it wonāt happen though.
[size=5]I just need to go to bed. ā¦ good night (morning ā¦ itās 3 am again).[/size]
Iām sorry. Hitting pause button and looking into the table what mutation to use and how to create the possessives and reflexives made me even more confused. I thought the result would be better, but itās actually worse. I all of a sudden didnāt know even things I did before. All of a sudden Iāve got the feeling even what I could say right is wrong ā¦ No pause button is even less for me then drilling through in one piece ā¦
[size=9]Refer to post 427 for results[/size]
Tatjana, I think this is something that is going to take time and practice to master. I donāt think its realistic to expect that you will do well with it the first time you try to go through the lesson with the chart in front of you. Too much to think about all at once! I know writing isnāt the SSi way, but I wonder if some written exercises to help solidify the structures in your mind would help, as @stella suggested.
I am struggling with the same thing (possessives & reflexives) but to be fair I havenāt done all the SSiW lessons yet. Iāve taught myself a bit with my Gareth King book because Iāve wanted to use them in my journal, but the mutations arenāt sticking for meā¦I know I need the lesson practice for that. I think Iām going to have more time and energy for lessons now - Iām looking forward to getting back into it!
Doing the whole course twice, going through Lesson 25/2 every day and nothing sticks with me ā¦ itās a bit too much.
Iām glad youāre back in gaining energy for doing lessons on the contrary of me. Iām loosing my energy, passion, whatever ā¦ Christmas and New Yearās time is always treating me this way already for quite some years. Hopefully when Spring comes things will start to be better again, who knows ā¦
OK, sorry, I didnāt want to moan and feel pity for myself so I better stop here before I do the same stupid thing as I did some months back ā¦