OK. Diolch.
Phiew … Day D is set …
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Umm, well, @aran, since I see you online to conclude the things for smooth going tonight - my skype name is TatjanaPrelog or live e-mail thoughttalking@hotmail.com (preferred to search for).
And a big DIOLCH I CHI I SIARAD GYDA FI! (Chi, ti? - what’s actually proper for you?)
I just sent you a pm, Tatjana! 
I’ve sent one back. 
All fine …
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Level 1 really completed - Challenge 25 (Southern) today
I’ve made this last Challenge - Challenge 25 of Level 1 Southern today. I’m not sure should I think it’s really taugher then Northern or not but the fact is that I’ve made this last Southern challenge for 1 % worse then Northern which I’ve made previous week.
So now the stats are complete.
C25 = 42 %
All other stats remaind unchanged so
L1 = 62 %
Whole material except vocabs and repetitions of Lesson 24-25/2 and 24-25/3 = 44 %
Course 1/Vocab 1 = 51 %
So, here it is - the whole material except Vocabs finished.
Up next:
- 1 hour talk “only Cymraeg rule” with @aran tomorrow
- repetition of C2/L24-25 and C3/L24-25 on 14th November
- and vocabs now - those i’ve devided into sequences of 5 so I have a bit more space to do something else, like listening to the radio, Growth club materials (yah I’ll have to re-leasten them) and similar stuff.
- And, those who (maybe) follow my twitter acount they know that I’ve set a new challenge infront of me. If you’re curious search through my tweets from 26th September otherwise I’ll tell you when it’s done.
Ooo, ye, @BronwenLewis now I already believe I’ll need it (at least a bit). And diolch of course.
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So, first the news:
Tatjana has just spent an hour talking Welsh to me, in which time she needed to use precisely two words in English: bus stop (gorsaf bws) and together (gyda’n gilydd).
In other words, she is now officially banned from telling anyone that she can’t speak Welsh, because she demonstrably can…
In fact, considering that this was only the second time that she’d spent more than a few minutes trying to talk Welsh, she communicated a huge, huge amount. I’m left with a few questions about her afternoon travel arrangements that we may need to hammer out in English, but otherwise I found out about her work, her commute, her home, her thoughts on the rugby and a bunch of other stuff - all through the medium of Welsh.
Tatjana - seriously - we have had a lot of people come on Bootcamp with much less Welsh than you have, and do absolutely fine. I know it’s not an easy/likely option for you, but I think it’s important that you realise just how much you have achieved. You would be absolutely fine if you had to live through the medium of Welsh for a week.
Having said that, of course Tatjana wants to carry on improving.
And what she needs more than anything else is a set of people who are willing to give her an hour of their time with a Welsh only rule.
I’d like to set up a rota here, if any of you are up for it - if we can get five or six of us, then we can give Tatjana an hour every week without individually needing to put in more than an hour every month and a half or so.
@louis @brigitte @Deborah-SSi @owainlurch @elizabeth_jane - any of you folks up for making the team? Anyone else? Dee, could we stick this in the next email? SSiW rides to the rescue to provide Welsh conversations for a learner stranded in (a very beautiful part of) Slovenia?
And finally…
Tatjana, if you get a bus at 5.15 in the morning that gets you to work at 7.00 - and you finish work at 3.00 - how come you only get home by 7pm? There must surely be a spare two hours in there somewhere?! [It’s going to be very interesting to see what I didn’t understand!]
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Llongyfarchiadau, Tatjana! O’n i’n gwybod o’t ti’n gallu ei wneud e!
(edited to fix tense. 
I was so excited to hear the good news I wasn’t thinking clearly! )
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Extremely well done!!
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Absolutely well done. And, yes, put me on the roster. I am always looking for opportunities to speak.
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Absolutely fine by me- it would be a pleasure!
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Phiew …
I have to thank you all first for your kind comments and will to chat with me. I also have to make (one more) appology to all those I didn’t treat well in the past sometimes (or many times for that matter). then on … I have to put my thoughts in order. My head is spinning and my heart is beating like a drum, but not because I’d be tired or something like this, no, it’s of excitement and of the knowledge that I really did something right at least once in my life.
Now that I’m sitting here with my (oooo, yes of course … what shuld it be rather then that) coffee infront of me I’d slowly start to think rationally and put myself onto the ground again (yah, that’s how I am).
About 20 minutes before the time of our chat I sat at my computer, put some instrumental music on and wait for Aran to appear on Skype. I circled through e-mails I’ve got on my google mail, listened to the music and took the last looks at my notes (notes are actually some (not more then 5 though) words which could be handy) switching from mail to Skype and forum, back to mail, waiting for Aran to appear on Skype. Nope, I was not even nervous. I became a bit of nervous (but not much though) only when Aran appeared and the chat was about to begin. Aran appeared with the request to share data. Accepting the request I saw the question already awaiting for me:
“Barod?”
“barod” I replied
“One rule - no English!”
Of courseI thought to myself. “Dwi’n gwybod,” I replied and at the same second I’ve thought Wait a minute, did I write this right at all? Eh never mind, he understands me anyway. my head replied and here we go. Conversation begun.
It was interesting I didn’t have any teacher-student feeling but rather switched my brains to what I’ll actually be able to say and what we might talk about. Well to be honest I had a strong wish to switch dictionary on to be able to look up some words but I’m to honest not to tell this to Aran. “No, no, Tatjana,” he said. “No geiriadur.” I’ve struggled with the thought but It’s really everything in our heads. As soon as I’ve dismissed it and set my mind to cary on without this it all went (quite) well, still hard but I did probably put some more hard work into remembering some things. 
i forgot even to wave my hands to show what I meant to say when I couldn’t remember the expression or word but I probably had my eyes closed much more often then I should (for a second or some more) to concentrate.
So it was a really pleasant chat about many things as Aran says, even about where I live and which places Aran knows in Slovenia. And we agreed on hopes which rugby team should win this Saturday - Cymru of course …
Now I’ll switch to "Dwi dim yn siarad Cymraeg yn da iawn … (eto).
[quote=“aran, post:308, topic:1863”]
Tatjana - seriously - we have had a lot of people come on Bootcamp with much less Welsh than you have, and do absolutely fine. I know it’s not an easy/likely option for you, but I think it’s important that you realise just how much you have achieved. You would be absolutely fine if you had to live through the medium of Welsh for a week.[/quote]
It’s not easy/likely but who knows, maybe one day … and, I know now I’d manage to do that somehow.
Yes, absolutely. I didn’t walk all this path to let go now and I can’t leave your hard work on guiding me and of all of you encouraging me to go to waste. It just wouldn’t be fair at all. Here’s a lot of work to be done yet, I know not just in course of doing conversations but learning aswell and I intend to continue my journey.
This is really kind of you and of all those of you who would want to “join the team”.
I rearly remain speachless even when talking in Cymraeg at least some wrong words come from my mouth (well not always but OK) but I simply am speachless now. Sometimes I really wonder if I deserve all this so Diolch yn fawr iawn, really. I’m honoured.
This was one of the most tricky part of the conversation in which I realized how many words I’m missing in my vocabulary and most of all how bad I stand with numbers and talking about time. So it could be you couldn’t understand most of the thing as I actually couldn’t tell them to you properly so here we go with this one.
I get up at 4:30 am approximately and go to the first bus at 5:20 am the latest. In the city of Kranj I’m catching the other bus which is already on its post when I come but it leaves at about 5:40. At about 6:15 or 6:20 am I’m in Ljubljana to catch 3rd bus to which I have approximately 5 minutes of walk. It depends on when I arive, I catch the final - 3rd bus at 6:37 or one earlier if I’m really lucky, which drives me to my work. 5 minutes of walk again and I’m there at approximately 6:50 am and I begin my work at 7.
Going home is slightly complicated story although I have to catch 3 busses again. It all goes oposite way with catching and driving with not much waiting inbetween one and another bus. I finish work at 3 pm and am catching a bus which leaves at 3:12 pm (have to walk 5 minutes to bus stop again). I come in town just in time to miss a bus which would take me directly to my home village and leaves at 3:45 and then I really have about 45 minutes of waiting. Usually I’m with a friend which catches her own train which leaves at about the same time then my bus so we usually stop in a bar to drink something (she beer usually and I my belived cup of coffee (again. That is about 3rd one in a day already. ) . Then the traveling begins again at 4:30 PM sitting on the bus which leaves for Bled but stops in Kranj where I catch the last bus to get home leaving at 5:30 pm. It’s actually about 6 pm when I come home if things are normal but if there’s no school the buses don’t drive as often as when there’s school so many times it occurs I get home at about 6:45 or even 7 pm. I come home at 7 pm if I go to the town to do some things like getting books from the library, to go buying something and similar stuff. It takes me an hour immediately if I turn off usual rute and time schedule … Well that’s how come to spend 4 hours a day travelling to work and back home. And the other tricky part to say was I can’t drive a car due to my bad sight so here I am destined to buses wherever I go (if not husband to disposal who would drive me by car. )
There are some more things I couldn’t quite say properly but will save them for aonther time learning how to say them in Cymraeg.
So thank you @aran for being so kind with me and for such encouraging description of things on here. I really had a feeling (well I still have in this matter) that I had acheaved something and that I did my “work” at least a bit good. Diolch i ti i siarad gyda fi. Dwi’n hapus iawn. Allai dim dweud faint.
Diolch yn afwrl iawn @AnnaC.
I didn’t notice anything would be wrong. I must be I was excited too.
Diolch @RichardM!
Thank you @elizabeth_j_corbett_ I’m aware we’re not all living in Europe so we’d have to agree on some time to be suitable for all. You’re from Australia, am i correct? (or did I mix something maybe).
Coreso nol @owainlurch ac diolch yn fawr iawn.
And how I’m feeling right now?
Diolch i chi bawb! Diolch SSi!
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Da iawn Tatjana! I can’t imagine how you have the energy for anything with all that commuting every day!
Yes, I’m happy to be on the rota too
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Ah, Tatjana bach, i said before you were learning faster than me and now you have well and truly proved it. da iawn.
Learner of the year on S4C next year maybe.
Cheers J.P.
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Haha! Diolch @ramblingjohn but there are many more much better learners then me who would deserve this title. However I’m honored you think this way. And I bet you’d do just fine in such chat I’ve had yesterday. I thought before the time came to do it, it would be kind of tense since I thought I can’t speak much and wondered often what I’d say in that hour saying to myself: "What in the name of this World would we speak about for the whole hour? I will surely be out of steam in about 10 or maybe 20 minutes, but this didn’t happen. It’s true that @aran was the one who mostly lead conversation as I’m better follower then leader (regarding conversations) but it went just fine all the way. I laugh to myself as I just couldn’t remember what “eistedd” means all of a sudden and poor Aran had to stand up to show me a chair so I could get the association. I couldn’t remember “eistedd”! Come on … funny really.
Well many times I don’t have much energy left at the evening but I’m still pushing forward like a bull … I just have to, otherwise I’d do nothing at all and the only thing I’d be able to say in Cymraeg is “hoffi coffi!” maybe. - hehe Maybe enough coffee is what holds me in vertical position at the nights/early mornings when I finally go to sleep for about 2 or 3 hours. (by the way I’ve slept 1 and a half hour tonight and got up at the same time as every single working day.)
Diolch yn fawr iawn @Deborah-SSi. Now I just have to figure out how to do the schedule or how to make things work out.
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I’ll add my congratulations here too! It sounds like you did brilliantly! 
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Great, so, we’ve got Dee, Liz, and Owain confirmed for the team - and I’m sure @louis and @brigitte will be happy to join in - Dee, Liz, Ow, would one of you be up for next week?
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@Brigitte messaged me on Skype almost immediately you’ve posted after our chat and she said she’d be online on saturdays as she was before.
All the rest, tell me your time and I’ll tell you if I’m at the comp at the time.
And really huge THANK YOU to all of you even if you don’t decide to talk with me later on. I respect you’re willing to help.
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Tatjana fach… I suppose a car-share isn’t possible?? On line, could you maybe find folk doing your commute, or part of it, and get lifts? I had a friend in our village on Gower. The first bus left far too late for me to catch the first train to London on Monday (I commuted at weekends) but she willingly took me in, as she did the same weekend commute to Swansea!!
But the really important thing is
:
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Can you believe I’m the only one from my area working in Ljubljana and starting at 7 am? My neighbour was employed in the company where I work too and we travelled together to and from work many times but now she isn’t employed there anymore and it left me alone with my busses to catch. When we drove together it spared me 2 hours a day which I could use much more usefully but now from all 4 hours on the way there and back I can usfully use only approximately 1 hour (0,5 hour in each direction) sitting on the bus and listening and studying (if I’m not too tired though).
However approximately 20 years ago when I decided to do my middle school for administrators (it was totally different area of what middle school I finished before) I drove to work and back exactly the same way with the same amount of time spared on the way as I do now and I can freely say that I’ve made about 3/4 of all studies on the bus. I often say I did my school on the bus … The only difference from then and now is that my head and especially my eyes were less “tired” then than they’re now and I didn’t sleep any more then do now (if one had a swift thought about how much sleep I have. ). Yah, yah, but we were all 20 years younger then, weren’t we?
But the really important thing: DIOLCH YN FAWR IAWN!!! @henddraig
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